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Post by RoseFyre on Jun 7, 2005 2:43:37 GMT 11
Oh, I agree that it's great for girls - two female leads is never a bad thing, and you're right, I can't think of any others where a male is not at least one of the major characters.
For Good is touching, and it is good to have that interaction between them, but I'm not so sure that Elphie in the book could have that sort of interaction with Glinda at that point. It's one of the major differences between the characters in the book and the musical.
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Post by yoozanaym on Jun 9, 2005 10:26:05 GMT 11
The other show that placed all its importance on two female leads and their friendship, while leaving the male characters as subordinate, was Chicago. There are a few others. However, Wicked was the first to have a green leading lady so I guess it is revolutionary. Hehehe.
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Post by Sally on Jun 9, 2005 11:22:35 GMT 11
For Good is touching, and it is good to have that interaction between them, but I'm not so sure that Elphie in the book could have that sort of interaction with Glinda at that point. It's one of the major differences between the characters in the book and the musical. One of the few character differences that I actually like  True, it is a bit of a stretch for book Elphie to actually admit to having that kind of interaction with Glinda, but as for having it, deep down...I believe she could: but, it'd be difficult for her to consider. You know what one of my favourite bits is? And I'm going to horribly butcher it here without the book handy, but at Nessa's funeral, when Elphie says to Frex that her life is still running on, and she's feeling a bit sad and sorry for herself, when suddenly Glinda appears and the sight makes her heart churn. It's just beautiful. As for their parting...I kind of read into that a lot more than I probably should have, so even with the 'betrayal' nagging Elphie later on, I don't see them as parting on as bad a terms as the first reading of the book implies. I tend to tie the parting back to their initial departure, and to what happened with Fiyero, and Nor...probably just to make myself happier, lol. Has bookElphie really been 'changed for the better' through knowing Glinda though? I don't really think so, unless you read between the lines and draw what you want out of what little there is. Glinda definitely has though. I probably just walked around in a huge circle there. Hah. Bingo, film aside, I don't really know Chicago well enough, but I'd totally forgotten it. When I think two women, my mind immediately goes "Auntie-Mame-and-Vera", but I only know the straight version of Auntie Mame, not Mame the musical - and then, they're already friends before the show starts. No growth there. |
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Post by Buff on Jun 9, 2005 12:02:33 GMT 11
It's been really interesting reading this discussion. I've not been able to contribute because: 1. I've not read the book; 2. Not seen the musical (and only heard one song from the show a couple of weeks ago!) Minor details I know The point is, I've been inspired to read the book, of which the local library has a copy. I'll let you know what I think when it becomes available and I've read it. Buff  |
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Post by Sally on Jun 9, 2005 12:26:10 GMT 11
The point is, I've been inspired to read the book, of which the local library has a copy. I'll let you know what I think when it becomes available and I've read it. Squee! That made me so happy ;D It's seriously my favourite book - given by the fact that I've read it so many times (actually only twice all the way through in the right order) that I can quote huge portions off the top of my head. LOVE it. Fascinating stuff What's the one song you have heard? To get slightly back to the musical, I finally realised my dream (at least one of them) this morning and heard the voice of Megan Hilty. It's the little things that make me happy. And I'm so amazed that every Glinda I've heard (okay, only four of them so far) has been absolutely incredible As in, I wouldn't care which Glinda I was able to see on stage because they're all equally marvellous. (Although I *would* kill to see Kendra ) For the Elphies...heard 6, loved 5, but none of them can match Idina - imo. |
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Post by Buff on Jun 9, 2005 13:11:01 GMT 11
What's the one song you have heard? I think it was "For Good". I heard a lady sing it at a concert. Buff |
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Post by Sally on Jun 9, 2005 19:33:56 GMT 11
I think it was "For Good". I heard a lady sing it at a concert. Oh yay, that's one of my two favourites And I especially LOVE the solo version. Sigh. So beautiful! |
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Post by RoseFyre on Jun 10, 2005 8:14:33 GMT 11
Two girls sang For Good at the show I went to yesterday - it was basically a recital, in some ways, where all the seniors form my high school's performing arts program danced or sang or acted. It was really really good, and one of the best parts of the show.
Buff, read the book! It rocks! Though...be prepared for quite a bit of violence, some sex, and enough disturbing material that I wouldn't recommend the book to someone under the age of about 16 or so.
I think that bookElphie has changed for the better after knowing Glinda, because Glinda introduces her to the world, in a way. And Glinda is one of her motivations for fighting. Certainly not the main one (that's Doctor Dillamond), but one of them. Glinda has definitely changed.
And Chicago may have two major women, but I'd also consider Billy Flynn to be a main part. In Wicked, even Fiyero doesn't really qualify as a main part. Maybe that's just my opinion, though.
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Post by Buff on Jun 20, 2005 15:14:19 GMT 11
Squee! That made me so happy ;D It's seriously my favourite book - given by the fact that I've read it so many times (actually only twice all the way through in the right order) that I can quote huge portions off the top of my head. LOVE it. Fascinating stuff I've got the book, ;D but I most probably won't be able to start it until next week when I'm on holidays  Buff |
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Post by Sally on Jun 20, 2005 17:23:26 GMT 11
I've got the book, ;D but I most probably won't be able to start it until next week when I'm on holidays Heh, good enough for me if you can stand the wait I keep thinking I should read it again properly - I keep reading bits and pieces over and over. The City of Emeralds section is the shortest and if I read it and Gillikin any more, I'm gonna be able to recite them. (They're the best bits ) Shared opinion. Screw Fiyero |
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Post by nadine on Jun 20, 2005 23:39:27 GMT 11
I'm confused here - which book are you talking about Wicked? Or something completely different If it is Wicked, I've had a copy of Wicked sitting on my bookshelf for 3 years next to Lost *g* I might finally read them after I finish my exams Huge Gregory Maguire fan (I carted a hardcover copy of Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister around Europe in 2001 - no wonder why my luggage weighed a ton) |
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Post by Buff on Jun 21, 2005 9:28:14 GMT 11
I'm confused here - which book are you talking about Wicked? Or something completely different It's "Wicked : the life and times of the wicked witch of the west" by Gregory Maguire. Buff |
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Post by Sally on Jun 21, 2005 10:55:13 GMT 11
Nadine, it's the same book that I've been rambling on about on my lj all year and ficcing since February - you MUST read it ;D It's very addictive, and the sequel, 'Son of a Witch', is due out this September too (sadly, if they keep the same release date - the 27th - I'm planning my flight home around it so I can read it on the plane *g*) If you haven't read it by MFM, I'll smack you  (or get Julia to, she's violent ) |
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Post by Talissa on Jun 21, 2005 10:58:39 GMT 11
I'm hardly going to smack someone for something I haven't read |
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Post by Sally on Jun 21, 2005 11:02:56 GMT 11
But you are a smacker And you have to read it too. Would I ever steer a person wrong?? |
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(or get Julia to, she's violent